US Politics Extra: Visa Vices - Musk vs MAGA . Get the Popcorn Out!
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"The challenge for Trump is that he, as a leader, has his agenda being voted on and coming into power. But then the reality of running a country which has an economy that he needs to keep afloat will mean that his agenda, sometimes, and this is the same with all politicians, incoming administrations, your agenda might come up against reality or might come up against other objectives. So the objective here would be a growing economy coming up against the agenda of getting rid of illegal migrants and constraining legal migration, which will have an effect on the economy, right? And so, you know, what gives there?"
Hello Team
🎦 00:00-00:05⏩
Jonathan introduces the video as a US politics special.
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Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy's Support for Visas
- Jonathan discusses the ongoing spat between Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. These two very wealthy individuals, who are unelected oligarchs at the centre of the White House, supported Trump's election.
- They have both come out in support of visas for workers from outside the US, particularly in their industries, which has enraged some of the MAGA base.
- Ramaswamy's wealth is linked to a controversial dementia drug that failed four times. He repackaged and sold it, making a lot of money.
- The sheer volume of money Musk gave to Trump's campaign and the platform of Twitter were instrumental in getting Trump elected.
- Trump's agenda broadly included being anti-illegal immigration and trying to lower legal immigration as well.
- This support for visas is causing tension and a potential "civil war" within the Republican right before the inauguration.
Brian Tyler Cohen's Summary of Initial Events
🎦 01:40-01:56⏩
- Jonathan introduces a summary of the initial events by Brian Tyler Cohen.
- Cohen states that Elon Musk's "honeymoon" in the Trump administration seems to have ended before the administration has officially begun.
- During the holiday season, Musk has been fighting with the very people whose voices he spent months elevating.
Elon Musk's Advocacy for H-1B Visas
- Musk has been publicly advocating for offering more visas to highly skilled foreign workers via the H-1B program.
- He tweeted about the importance of bringing in the top 0.1% of engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning.
- The H-1B visa allows US companies to employ foreign workers in speciality occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise. The program is often used by US tech companies to hire highly skilled workers from countries such as India and China.
Laura Loomer's Criticism of Elon Musk's Employment Practices
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- Laura Loomer, with whom Musk has had much of this fight, points out that his advocacy for the top 0.1% does not align with his employment behaviour at Tesla and SpaceX.
- Loomer argues that Musk has hired non-American citizens for entry-level roles, not just the top 0.1%.
- Using a database listing the salaries of his H-1B visa holders, Loomer questions whether entry-level jobs at 70K per year represent 0.1% level talent.
- Loomer's Twitter verification was stripped away by Elon over this argument.
Jonathan's Opinion on Visa Arrangements and the MAGA Base
🎦 02:52-03:57⏩
- Jonathan states he is not for or particularly against the visa arrangement.
- He believes the visa arrangement is more problematic than people think, as it can create lower-waged indentured servants.
- However, he is not too against the principle of taking in the right people for the economy from outside the country.
- Jonathan finds it interesting that the MAGA base's reaction is what matters, not his opinion.
- He questions whether Musk's statements represent a double standard and notes that the MAGA right and the tech right seem to be attacking each other.
Vivek Ramaswamy's Tweet and MAGA's Response
🎦 03:57-04:08⏩
- Vivek Ramaswamy tweeted, "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers."
- This statement did not go over well with Trump's America First base.
Matt Gaetz and Ann Coulter Criticise Tech's Immigration Policy
🎦 04:08-04:47⏩
- Matt Gaetz tweeted that the tech bros were welcomed to avoid "the third-grade teacher picking their kid's gender and the obvious Biden-Harris economic decline," but they were not asked to engineer an immigration policy.
- Ann Coulter chimed in, stating, "American workers can leave a company. Imported H-1B workers can't. Tech wants indentured servants, not high-skilled workers."
Laura Loomer's Further Criticisms of Elon Musk
- Laura Loomer wrote, "If India was so high-skilled, people would stay there instead of flocking to the US."
- She accused tech billionaires of wanting to rewrite immigration policies to have "unlimited slave labourers from India and China who never assimilate."
- Loomer argues that Musk donated money to influence immigration policy and protect his buddy Xi Jinping.
Elon Musk's Defence of H-1B Visas
🎦 05:13-05:28⏩
- Elon Musk fought back, tweeting that the reason he and many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla, and other companies are in America is because of H-1B.
- He stated his intention to "go to war on this issue."
Jonathan's Analysis of Laura Loomer's Arguments
🎦 05:50-06:11⏩
- Jonathan acknowledges that Laura Loomer, a far-right personality he has no time for, makes some valid points about Musk's double standards.
Elon Musk's Dismissal of Laura Loomer as a Troll
🎦 06:39-06:48⏩
- Elon Musk dismissed Laura Loomer's arguments, stating, "Loomer is trolling for attention. I ignore what she says."
Laura Loomer's Accusations Against Elon Musk
- Laura Loomer retorted, "Telling the truth isn't trolling. Read the room, Musk."
- She reminded Musk that he had previously voted for Biden and supported Ron DeSantis, saying Trump was too old.
- Loomer accused Musk of donating money to influence immigration policy and protect Xi Jinping.
- She argued that Musk's actions are in opposition to MAGA immigration policy and thanked him for showing that anyone who speaks out against H-1B visa foreigners taking jobs from Americans is an "attention troll."
- Loomer concluded by stating, "The real president knows H-1B visas are bad for America. And the real president is from this country."
Jonathan's Agreement with Loomer's Points on Musk's Influence
🎦 07:04-07:14⏩
- Jonathan agrees that Musk wants to make money out of his position as an unelected oligarch in the White House.
- He believes Musk is a pawn of Xi Jinping and that some of his actions will benefit Xi Jinping.
Elon Musk's Influence on the US Budget
- Jonathan highlights that budget changes have stripped out measures that would have been harsh on investment into China, now allowing investment in a way that Musk would want.
- This has happened even before the inauguration, showing Musk's influence on the US budget.
- Jonathan points out that Musk is weakening US national defence by encouraging investment in China, which is trying to weaken the US.
Infighting and Potential for Broader Discourse
🎦 07:43-08:19⏩
- Jonathan discusses the infighting between supporters and critics of Musk, questioning whether it's just a Twitter phenomenon or if it will spill over into general discourse.
- He notes that mainstream media outlets are reporting on the issue, and figures like Matt Gaetz, Charlie Kirk, and Steve Bannon are getting involved.
Division Over Musk and Trump's Support
- Jonathan observes that most people are coming out against Musk, but interestingly, Trump has come out in support of him.
- He suggests this seems like a bit of a civil war within the Republican movement.
Newsmax Interview and Musk's Influence on Government Spending
- Jonathan references an interview on Newsmax where a guest argues that Elon Musk's influence led to the lack of opposition to the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) because he benefits from the national defence budget.
- The guest, from Occupy Democrats, accuses Musk of prioritising government efficiency only when it benefits him, such as stripping out portions of the continuing resolution bill that would have made it more difficult to invest in China.
- The guest argues that letting Elon Musk set the spending priorities for the government makes him more than the president, calling him the "super president of the Republican Party."
- The Newsmax host does not address the guest's points about Musk's influence, instead focusing on the Republicans taking over.
Elon Musk's Censorship of Critics on Twitter
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- Jonathan discusses how Elon Musk has been censoring critics on Twitter, despite claiming to be a "free speech absolutist."
- Musk has cancelled or restricted the access of those who have criticised him, including Laura Loomer and others.
- This contradicts Musk's claims of being a free speech absolutist and shows he will shut down critics.
- Many users have reported having their accounts restricted after criticising Musk.
- Musk is accused of retaliating against those who opposed him in a Twitter space, suspending them and trying to remove evidence.
- Several prominent right-wing accounts have had their blue checks removed or reviewed after criticising Musk's support for Indian tech worker immigrants.
- Laura Loomer reported that her character limits were reduced and she couldn't post longer messages, despite paying for premium.
- Mainstream media outlets have started reporting on Musk's removal of verification from critics.
Elon Musk's Derogatory Comments Towards MAGA Critics
- Jonathan highlights how the situation has escalated, with Musk now calling his MAGA critics "sub-tards" and endorsing a speech that shows his contempt for the MAGA right.
- This is compared to Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" comment, with Jonathan noting the irony of Musk's behaviour given his position of influence.
- Musk also told someone to "go and F themselves in their face," further demonstrating his aggressive behaviour towards critics.
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Tesla's Reliance on H-1B Visa Holders
🎦 17:20-17:57⏩
- A Forbes article from December 12th reports that Tesla has emerged as the top employer of H-1B visa holders.
- This explains Musk's keenness to keep the visa provision in place and advocate for foreign-born workers, which goes against the platform Trump campaigned on.
Republican Employers and the Need for Immigrant Workers
- Jonathan discusses how many Republican employers, like a South Dakota farmer who voted for Trump but employs illegal immigrants, will argue that their own domain should be protected from immigration restrictions.
- These employers will claim they need immigrant workers, whether legal or illegal, and that restrictions would harm the economy.
- Jonathan agrees that every Republican employer will likely seek exemptions from immigration restrictions.
Donald Trump's Previous Statements Against H-1B Visas
🎦 20:16-21:08⏩
- Jonathan references Donald Trump's previous statements against H-1B visas, where he admitted to using them despite calling them "very, very bad for workers" and "unfair for our workers."
- Trump had previously stated, "We should end it" when referring to H-1B visas.
Conflict Between Trump's Agenda and Economic Reality
🎦 21:08-22:43⏩
- Jonathan highlights the challenge for Trump, whose agenda of restricting immigration conflicts with the reality of running a country with an economy that needs to stay afloat.
- He points out that Trump has now changed his mind about H-1B visas, raising the question of whether it's due to the economic situation or his inability to go against Elon Musk.
The Power Dynamic Between Trump and Musk
- Jonathan discusses the impending clash between Musk and Trump, noting that Musk is incredibly powerful as the richest man in the world and owner of a platform that can amplify or de-amplify views.
- He questions whether Musk will hold more sway than Trump and what the consequences will be if Trump offloads Musk.
- Jonathan highlights that Trump is compromised by Musk, who was largely responsible for getting him into power.
- He wonders when Trump will feel able to publicly diverge from Musk without significant cost.
Steve Bannon's Criticism of Elon Musk
🎦 24:08-26:03⏩
- Steve Bannon, a key figure behind Trump, strongly criticises Elon Musk, calling him a "crony capitalist" and a "running dog for the greatest enemy this nation's ever had," referring to China.
- Bannon accuses Musk of being a "war profiteer" who is "sleeping with the enemy" and taking money from the Chinese Communist Party, which he praises.
- He claims Musk is owned by the Chinese Communist Party and is a "total and complete phony."
- Bannon also calls out Musk for not allowing "true anti-CCP people" on Twitter.
- Bannon's criticism aligns with that of Occupy Democrats, suggesting a bipartisan concern about Musk's ties to China.
Steve Bannon's Comments on Starlink and Taiwan
🎦 26:38-27:04⏩
- Jonathan references Steve Bannon's comments from a previous discussion, where Bannon argued that Starlink would not be provided to Taiwan due to Chinese influence.
- Jonathan agrees with Bannon's assessment that Elon Musk is compromised in this regard.
Steve Bannon's Escalation of the Conflict with Elon Musk
🎦 27:04-27:36⏩
- In response to Musk telling someone to "go and F yourself in the face," Steve Bannon escalates the conflict by saying, "Someone please notify Child Protective Services, need to do a wellness check on this toddler."
- Jonathan sees this as a significant escalation, highlighting the "right eating itself" with the tech right versus the MAGA right.
Charlie Kirk's Argument Against Prioritising H-1B Workers
🎦 27:36-28:19⏩
- Charlie Kirk argues against prioritising H-1B workers over American workers, stating that it violates the social contract.
- He questions why a 23-year-old American computer science graduate shouldn't be given preference over someone who could do the work for far less.
- Kirk asserts that the American people overwhelmingly voted for less immigration and the prioritisation of American workers.
Jonathan's Disagreement with Charlie Kirk's "Overwhelming Mandate" Claim
🎦 28:19-29:09⏩
- Jonathan takes issue with Charlie Kirk's claim of an "overwhelming mandate" for less immigration, pointing out that Trump's victory was by the slimmest of majorities and didn't even secure a majority of the popular vote.
- He suggests that the fracture is between MAGA Republicans and more fiscally conservative Republicans who may favour a vibrant economy supported by these visas.
Musk-MAGA Fallout and Ann Coulter's Comments
🎦 29:09-30:03⏩
- The transcript highlights the ongoing Musk-MAGA fallout, with Ann Coulter reiterating her point about imported H-1B workers being unable to leave their companies, effectively being indentured servants.
MAGA's Realisation of Elon Musk's Modus Operandi
🎦 30:03-30:21⏩
- Jonathan notes that MAGA is slowly realising how Elon Musk operates, something others have known for years.
- Musk's claim that he doesn't want Americans for his companies because they're not smart enough is countered with the argument that they're not scared and compliant enough.
Adrian Dittman: Elon Musk's Alleged Alternate Account
- The transcript discusses the claim that Adrian Dittman is an alternate account used by Elon Musk.
- Evidence includes a Reddit thread where Dittman's first post was identical to a response post made by Musk the same day. This post by Dittman has since been deleted.
- Further evidence includes voice analysis and Musk's alleged slip-up in a conversation with Destiny.
- A particularly "sickening" example is highlighted where Dittman (allegedly Musk) replies to a tweet from Musk about his son, saying, "You're an amazing father, Elon. Your kids are very lucky to have you."
- Jonathan finds it disturbing that Musk might be using a fake profile to compliment himself.
Devaluation of Elon Musk's "Currency"
🎦 39:55-40:17⏩
- Jonathan wonders if Elon Musk's "value" or "currency" is being devalued as people from both sides of the aisle criticise him.
- However, he notes that Musk still has Trump on his side and can still "play" him.
Impact on Trump's Popularity and the GOP
🎦 40:17-40:43⏩
- Jonathan questions how Trump's popularity will be affected by siding with Musk over the base.
- He asks whether this is just an online Twitter issue or if it has spread to mainstream media and the rank-and-file members of the GOP, and how their views of both Musk and Trump are affected.
Escalation and Further Criticisms of Musk
🎦 40:43-41:13⏩
- Jonathan states that the situation has gotten "even bigger and even worse" for both Musk and Trump since he first reported on it.
- More people, like Steve Bannon, are coming out and "absolutely rinsing" Elon Musk, indicating a significant fracture.
- He emphasises the strong rhetoric used by Bannon as particularly important.
Wrap up
🎦 41:13-41:15⏩
Jonathan concludes by saying "that's all from me" and signs off.
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